I take the bus to work, and back home. Every day of the week. Each week of the month. Each month of the year. If I go to work on national holidays, I take the cab, simply because my company reimburses that expense.
Now there are many features of bus travel. One of them being "offensive chivalry". To most of us, these two words generally wont jive together, but for me, that aint true.
As a kid, I didnt care being chivalrous, because that was cool. All the cool dudes in school behaved that way with the girls(which in turn made them more popular among the girls), and I tried my best to imitate them and be placed in that "cool" category. That actually never happened, but let me not digress.
Adulthood, and so called good-mannered office professionalism was successful in hiding the animal beneath my skin, and I impressed(tried to) the ladies by being chivalrous at times (although the childhood inertia ensured that I faltered from time to time). But as with all other good gestures, my noble-hearted chivalry was misunderstood recently.
It was yesterday. I boarded a bus back home, and considering that it's peak hours, the bus was pretty full. I was travelling with a colleague and we indulged in usual non-sensical, company-cursing trash talk. Somewhere after a few bus-stops, I found a seat, and shamelessly sat down, while my colleague kept standing(he is very forgiving you see). As bad luck would have it, a middle aged (read: 40ish) lady boarded the bus at the very next bus stop, walked a little towards me, and soon enough, was standing in the aisle right next to my seat. The chivalry lightning struck, and I got up and offered her my seat. Surprisingly, she shaked her head as vigorously as JLo shakes her behind, indicating a denial of acceptance (and in turn reminding me of my various bschool dings). Poker faced, I sat down. It was then that my colleague remarked, that I just might have offended her - by indicating that she is old, and she didnt take the seat to prove a point. Remarkable like Jeeves, isnt it.
But as I regurgitate the incident, I am not sure if he(my colleague) was actually correct ? My question goes out to all you ladies who will be 40 one day (undesired as that might be, destiny cant be altered. You can try and postpone it by celebrating your birthday every 3 years, but that's the most you can do. Sorry!) - what will your reaction be to such a gesture? (the question is also open to all men who know that they are the Sigmund Freuds of the female world)
Please be reminded that I somehow cant buy into the following explanations:
1) the lady wasnt tired at all, and I probably looked tired enough to need that seat more. Even if this is true, why would you refuse a free seat, instead standing all the way - kindness or foolishness?
2) the lady just wanted to stand because she was sitting all day. I believe this is a very plausible clause, but given her facial expressions, I dont think she was at all happy at being offered a seat.
As I close this post, I realise the human nature is hugely complex, and there may have been a hundred other factors which could have evoked that response from her, and hence this discussion might be a waste, but I am still curious to know your views. Let me know what you think.
Tuesday, May 23, 2006
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If I were her - I would have done that too but would have thanked you for the offer.
Would you have done that if a man stood next to you ? No! Why ?
That's what she would have thought - If you can stand I can too. I don't need special privilages. I'm just like everyone.
Now, will this incident get you into non-chivalrous mode. I hope not, others might get offended!
I'd probably agree with Venus here ..."he thinks a woman cant stand in the bus and needs special attention? I'll show him" kinda situation.
Interestingly, I was in a similar situation once many years ago, except that the lady in question was my aunt. On being offered a seat she politely declined. Her reason? "I am wearing too expensive a silk saree that might get crushed and damaged if I sit down in that cramped seat. On second thoughts, we should have taken a cab."
Or, she might have had more interesting scenery to view in the bus which might not have been available from a sitting position. A view from above has its benefits.
Bottomline, dont try to read into it, there's a complex mechanism in place.
I'm no Sigmund Freud. But I'll let you in on my idealogy when it comes to giving up a seat: No seat for you unless (1) you are visibily pregnant or (2) holding either a cane or a baby :-)
@@venus -
First, thanks for dropping by.
Second, I agree with what you said, and dont worry, this one incident wont put me off.
@@axechick -
perfectly reasonable for you to have behaved that way, but in my case, I am 99.9999% sure it wasnt the case i.e. niether was I hitting on her, nor was she thinking I was (there are very concrete reasons why I say so, but I would not spell them out here).
@@mba pundit -
I dont think the lady was worried about her dress...but I cant be sure. And dont worry, I wont overanalyse this, and will rather leave that painful job to all my readers ;)
@@dinesh -
yeah, pretty wise parameters. i sure will think about it. thanks.
Well I guess if I were her I would have taken it, simlpy because you had already stood and it would avoid much embarassment.
I do agree with Venus though, about not expecting special treatment just cos I'm a female. I agree with Dieshes idea about when to give up your seat, even I have done that.
Were you persistent? "No ma'am. I really insist. Please take my seat."
I can't speak for a 40-yr-old, but even in my 20's if you'd have done that for me I'd feel like, "Wow. What a nice man. A true gentleman." I think any woman - 20, 30, 40, 70, 100, 200 (?) always loves it when a man offers his seat. (Even if we're fine standing.) You did the right thing, forrest.
@@smiley -
thanks for dropping by.
i would like to tell, even though the lady refused the seat, the situation wasnt very embarrassing, but certainly a little odd.
@@i_will_make_it
LOL. I will remember to be more assetive from next time.
Thanks for the support, you are very kind.
@@vatsa -
Oops, I should have noticed whom I was sitting next to. Infact, I dont have a faint memory. Bus rides can be so ephemeral.
I have been in a similar situation :) but came to know tht it was because in south india woman do no sit next to men they dont know.. I got up but there was still another guy sitting so she refused to sit :)
I wouldn't have been offended at all...though I'm a touch on the "old-fashioned" side and actually like it when guys ae chivalrous (sp?).
Though I would have said something like "no thank you" instead of vigorously shaking my head no if i didn't want the seat.
@@snax - yeah, I agree. I am now more careful when being chivalrous.
@@fromcali - thanks for visiting. and thanks for the vote of confidence. i know i still can continue to be what i have to be, but I guess I might need to be a little more concious and cautious :)
Forrest,
The last thing I want to imagine is the day when I am 40ish but I can give you a few reasons, as a woman myself (sometimes pretty fussy), why I suspect that she wouldn't take your offer:
1. She doesn't like to be viewed as weak (or old, or whatever) because you offered her a free seat. So she chose to stand.
2. She doesn't like warm seats, which may sound silly but I've observed that from others before.
3. She doesn't like the person who's sitting next to your seat.
4. She doesn't like you. (Sorry! But it's a very subjective matter.)
5. She had a bad day and just couldn't receive the signals of good will from others at that time.
The bottom line is that I think you shouldn't let this little incident override your gallant behavior. Many women still appreciate considerate actions, such as opening the door, letting the lady walk first, from men. I know I appreciate it. :-)
it was all part of a devious plot meant to grab your attention.
think about it...she accepts your offer...she sits down...you move on...life goes on.
this way you're still talking about it..wondering..who knows, one day you might run into her again and that's when she's gonna make her move on you...me thinks we have a female machiavelli on our hands...
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